PRO Series Mice AMA

  1. In order not to have my thunder stolen, I’ll say: We will continue to monitor feedback from the community but we don’t have plans for one right now :wink:

  2. You need a pretty serious CPU and a very high refresh rate monitor to take full advantage of 4k/8k polling with no loss to FPS or without reducing video settings. Yes, the 4k/8k hz models come with a more powerful receiver to enable higher polling rates. No, there’s no benefit to using the 4k/8k hz models in 1k mode. However, the upgraded version offers 2k polling which is a good bang-for-your-buck mode. 2k hz polling doubles the standard polling rate without needing as many resources from your CPU.

Here are the recommended specs:
For 4000 Hz polling:
CPU: Intel i5 9th Gen processor
Monitor: 144Hz+ refresh rate with G-Sync/FreeSync off.

For 8000 Hz polling:
CPU: Intel i7 9th Gen processor
Monitor: 240Hz+ refresh rate with G-Sync/FreeSync off.

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Came here to say this. And it’s not just lefties who lose from the poor a11y design; it’s everyone.

I have a Keychron M1, which is truly symmetrical. It has 4 side buttons, two on each side, all four of which are independently programmable. I have the thumb side buttons as the standard mouse navigation, and the pinky side as Ctrl/Shift.

I got pretty excited when I saw that Glorious had released an “ambidextrous” mouse. Given how much better their keyboards are, they must have a better mouse, right?

Comparing Keychron M1 to Glorious O2 Pro 1kHz

Note: these two mice are not the only mice which exist. You are welcome to dislike either of these, and you are welcome to prefer any other mice. I’m comparing these because I own one, and considered buying the other.
Here’s how you can make your own tables.

For fields where one option is generally and/or measurably superior, the best is marked in bold. In cases where both devices are the same, both are marked in bold.

Keychron M1 Glorious O2 Pro 1kHz
Aesthetics
Shape Symmetrical Symmetrical
RGB Programmable, Presets N/A
Shell Stamped Solid
Ergonomics
Texture Smooth Grip
Ambidextrous - -
  - industry-specific definition no comment yes
  - for equal usability in either hand yes no
Side Buttons both sides right only
Size
Width (max) 66.4mm 67mm
Length (max) 130.2mm 128mm
Height (max) 38.3mm 38mm
Functionality
Programmable Buttons 7 6
Center Button no yes
DPI Button - -
  - claimed Dedicated Dedicated
  - actual Dedicated (base) Programmable Option*
Connectivity 2.4GHz, Bluetooth, Wired 2.4GHz, Wired
Technology
Battery 70hrs 80hrs
Sensor PixArt PAW 3395 Glorious BAMF 2.0 Optical
Polling 1000Hz (Bluetooth 125Hz) 1000Hz
DPI (max) 26k 26k
IPS 650 650
Weight 79g 57g
Acceleration 50g 50g
Switches Kailh GM 8.0 Glorious Optical 100M
Kind Mechanical Optical
Response Time “Ultra-Low”(1) 0.2ms
Rated Clicks 80M 100M
LOD 1-2mm 1-2mm
Price $45.00 $99.99

* Not 100% certain/able to verify, inferred from looking at the spec sheet, gallery, and product reviews and coming to a conclusion based on available information. Verifiable corrections welcome.

(1) Unable to find a reference to a millisecond value.

The More Factual Bit
warning: may contain opinions

The O2 Pro wins objectively on weight (28% lighter), battery life (14% longer life), response time (est. 800μs faster) and switch longevity (25% higher clicks).

The M1 objectively wins on connectivity (+Bluetooth, though not a huge win), button count (one more), accessibility (is truly ambidextrous), and price (55% cheaper).

Original remark for posterity: It’s also worth highlighting that calling the O2 Pro “ambidextrous” is deceptive if not an outright lie. See the definition of “ambidextrous” below, the O2 Pro is quite blatantly far better suited to one handedness (right) than the other as the two side buttons (a third of the inputs) are difficult to access if the mouse is in the left hand.

Amended: The use of “ambidextrous” to describe a mouse which is not of equal usability by both left and right handed people is not a lie from Glorious; it is a term which has already been standardized by the mouse manufacturing industry as a whole.
This term is poorly chosen, and as seen in this post and in various forums the end result is misled consumers. Sensibly, the below definition of ambidextrous would be assumed, however the intended definition is synonymous with “symmetrical”.

ambidextrous
/ˌambɪˈdɛkstrəs/
adjective

  • (of an implement) designed to be used by left-handed and right-handed people with equal ease

Glorious’ hands are more or less tied in this matter - there’s little they can do with one product’s marketing to change the industry, so fair enough; it’s a game they’re forced to play.

The point still stands however that the O2 Pro is suited specifically to the right hand, and it will likely be difficult or uncomfortable to access the side buttons when the O2 Pro is used in the left hand.

As correctly highlighted by @LiquidMaverick, optical switches have a notably different user experience and performance. The general consensus is they’re significantly better in most if not all aspects compared to mechanical switches.

As to whether the wins for the O2 Pro validate the price, that’s up to your own wallet and priorities.

The Less Factual Bit
warning: definitely contains opinions

On the whole and with the sincerest apologies to the designers (who I’m sure fulfilled the requirements given to them expertly), the O2 Pro is a bit of a disappointment.
Glorious are veteran mouse vendors, having released at least eight previous SKUs across five product lines, yet their first “ambidextrous” mouse is trading blows with Keychron’s first venture into the world of computer mice.
When factoring in the fact that the O2 Pro is more than twice the price of the M1 (2.2x), it’s very difficult to justify the O2 Pro.

As for the O2 Pro 4K/8K, it’s differences are +$30 price, -56% battery longevity (when using 4kHz), and +2g weight. to me, that only really validates itself against the O2 Pro, not against the competition in general.


Edits:

  1. Correction to which mouse is best at what field (paragraphs), undo accidentally deleting half of the final paragraph.
  2. Corrections regarding O2 Pro connectivity and 8K polling, this short note to self about proof-reading.
  3. amendments regarding the use of “ambidextrous” to describe a symmetrical mouse. omit unnecessary subscript. more detail on optical switches. clarity on opinion/fact sections, clarity on meaning in some phrases.
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This is quite the comprehensive breakdown and evaluation @WillsterJohnson! I’ll start by saying well done on your evaluation.

I will say that I believe it all comes down to what criteria you are weighing as the most important. I agree with you on the whole that the price point makes the Keychron very desireable. The counter point I would offer is two pieces:

  • Optical switch activation (as I have been using the mouse) is on a new level. Carries a very high weight as a benefit over mechanical switches. It’s a game changer for me
  • The weight difference is also a heavy hitter for me. Just moving from the O to the O Pro (forge) edition was a drastic feel improvement for me.

I think the takeaway is different strokes for different folks. The two pieces I mentioned above carry an incredible value to me. But if the Keychron is your speed, that is an amazing price!

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Thanks for the thoughtful analysis. I respect that you like mice that have identical use with left and right hand. However, calling our product copy an “outright lie” isn’t something that that’s welcome in this forum.

I’ve addressed the use of the word “ambidextrous” and I’ll repeat it again. “Ambidextrous” is the industry standard term used to describe symmetrical mice. It’s important to us that users are able to use the same search terms to find our products online that they use for other brands. Word definitions evolve. We will continue using industry standard terms to describe our products.

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If this is the case regarding the use of the word ambidextrous, then I would like to redirect my claim of this term’s use being a lie away from Glorious themselves and onto the mouse manufacturing industry as a whole.
“Symmetrical” as a word exists and is perfectly suited to describing things which are, well, symmetrical.
The mouse manufacturing industry ought not to have standardized an unrelated word to hold the same meaning, especially as this word has such a significant role in accessibility of products to end users who have differing ability to the majority. As seen, it leads to confusion and misdirected feelings about products.

As a consumer, I urge the mouse manufacturing industry as a whole to reassess this word choice on the premise of providing clarity to consumers. I’m certain many left-handed and ambidextrous consumers will feel the same way, along with some of my fellow righties.


I’ll amend my original post to reflect this.

I understand your frustration. It’s a topic that we had a lot of internal discussion about to figure out the best course. We’re a small player in the peripherals space, one of the smallest. There are times that we’ve lead the industry, with XXL deskmats and ultralight mice. Unfortunately, we can’t lead in naming conventions. The major players have huge audiences and we have to describe our products with the same terminology that they use, for now.

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